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The Pope’s Painful Liturgies

As much as I enjoy talking him up, watching Pope Francis celebrate Mass is — at least for me — a painful experience.

From what I can tell, I’m not alone. There’s an almost unchecked suspicion that the Holy Father’s tendency toward simplicity will usher in the death of the Benedictine reforms. The real suffering servant, some claim, will not turn out to be the humble Bishop of Rome but rather Monsignor Guido Marini, his (at least for now) master of ceremonies. The pope’s radical austerity is a sticking point for many—and a profound one, at that.

None of this, though, is why I find the new pope’s liturgies to be painful. Having watched many of them to date on Radio Vaticana, there’s clearly a dimension of frugality at work in Francis’s approach to prayer. Of course, there’s his Jesuit background — enough said, for most. Add to that almost two decades of on-the-ground, no-frills, get-your-hands-dirty pastoral work and things click even more. His Franciscan moniker is icing on the (not too sweet and maybe just a little stale) cake. Yet the “good stuff” of Catholic liturgy hasn’t really lacked all that much.

The painfulness of the Holy Father’s liturgies, I think, arises not from the character or celebration of the Mass itself, but from the clear lack of affection that Pope Francis maintains for the finer points of liturgical precision and splendor. It goes without saying that each of the pope’s Masses has been valid, undeniably reverent, and probably more visibly beautiful than all but a handful of Masses throughout the world.

There is noticeably absent, however, the positive liturgical zeal of Benedict — that which many already (wrongly) construe as a negative and destructive force in itself. Denying that Pope Francis is Pope Benedict is hardly a criticism against him; furthermore, suggesting that love for the liturgy consists uniquely in Benedict’s disposition toward it is short-sighted and thoroughly un-traditional.

But why does a lack of affection cause pain?

Without supposing to know the Holy Father’s heart, it seems clear that the celebrated liturgy, to him, is viewed as something incomplete in itself. That’s not to suggest, of course, that he considers it somehow deficient. Rather, in approaching the liturgy, Pope Francis seems always to have in mind its connection to real effects, both in the soul but also in the flesh.

We can talk all day about the theology of liturgy — which I’ve done many times — connecting its ordination to transcendence with the possibility for deeper prayer and more profound acts of charity in daily life. And it’s all true — and hopefully even productive of real wisdom. Yet isn’t there always something unnerving about leaving that reflection to pursue the inglorious work of serving others? No matter how much we know of the liturgy, its beauty and meaning, rarely does such awareness ever prepare us well to set it all aside and to take up the sullied practice of service.

If Benedict reclaimed the Spirit of the Liturgy, then perhaps next for the Church is to focus on its Flesh. I don’t suppose that Pope Francis will offer a comprehensive theology in this regard, or even that he should. Indeed, it appears he sees his apostolic vocation in a totally different light than as a theologian. Still, those of us who would continue along more academic lines might do some of that work for him.

On the other hand, there is the illuminating observation by Chesterton that what St. Benedict stored up, St. Francis saw as his mission to scatter about. The works of storing up and of sowing are very different ones. The first entails arduous, long labor: gathering a full crop into the barns for safe keeping is no light task. The second, scattering, is perhaps lighter work; though it requires significantly greater risk, since an entire season’s hopes are pinned on the irreversible distribution of a very limited and valuable supply of seeds.

The pain I experience with seeing the new pope’s liturgies is probably more the result of his intense joy at all other times. I sense acutely that my desire to serve is much thinner than my affection for a beautiful Mass. And I’m aware that the joy I know is possible through a sacramental encounter with the Lord is not often enough reflected in my life with family and with others.

The absolute wrong response, here, is to cast off the sacred liturgy as something overblown and impractical. However, fostering an affection for the liturgy in se is hardly enough, either. I don’t believe those are the only two options on the table; but determining what other concrete options do exist is not, perhaps, as easy as we’d like to think.

In the meantime, many of us will continue to suffer for a while, until we learn to love other people as much as our understanding about them. Enjoying the fruits of the harvest has the unfortunate effect of making one less eager to repeat the long, grueling process of cultivation from the beginning. At least for me, seeing someone who’s willing, above all, to begin the work of scattering afresh is an invaluable, if bittersweet reminder that much more heavenly nourishment still awaits, as long as we’re willing to labor.

This article is a slightly revised version of an article that first appeared in March 2013.

 

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  • Joe

    Great reflection Andrew! As I read, I wanted to share a reflection.

    “Without supposing to know the Holy Father’s heart, it seems clear that
    the celebrated liturgy, to him, is viewed as something incomplete in
    itself..”

    Remember the root of the word “Mass” is precisely the root of the word “dismissal” - “The Mass has ended. Go in peace to LOVE and SERVE the Lord”. The sacrifice represented on the altar is complete, but not the work of the Spirit.

    Are you equally pained by the name we give our chief liturgical assembly because it denotes NOT what happens during the Mass but after?

    • Frank

      Andrew, I find it PAINFUL to read YOUR shallow, stupid reflections on the Liturgy…. You seem to believe, naively, of course, that liturgy has descended from heaven and should be preserved in some pristine pure form. No! It began as a culmination of a life of self-sacrifice and love with Jesus washing the feet of his disciples and then symbolically breaking bread as a prelude to the breaking of his own body on the cross. Pope Francis has touched the hearts of millions, worldwide, and his homilies bear the mark of true ‘incarnate’ spirituality. He emulates Christ like few others. It would be better IF you listened to his words and followed his example rather than wasting your time to write this cheap, criticfal thrash that you write. Looks like guys like you want the Church to rush back into the Medieval Age. Yes, reading YOU and your stuff is PAINFUL, to say the least!
      * Frank

      • John McConnell

        Frank,

        “Touching hearts” - is that from the Apostles or Nicene Creed?

        You state to Andrew: “You seem to believe, naively, of course, that liturgy has descended from heaven and should be preserved in some pristine pure form. No!”

        Great comment! If no one else did, I sure caught your reference. Specifically Pope St. Pius X’s 1907 Lamentabile Sane, in which he states:

        22. The dogmas the Church holds out as revealed are not truths which have fallen from heaven, but they are an interpretation of religious facts which the human mind has acquired by laborious effort. - Condemned

        26. The dogmas of the Faith are to be held only according to their practical sense; that is to say, as preceptive norms of conduct and not as norms of believing. - Condemned

        • jerrym

          I do not believe that the “outward forms” of the Mass are essential to its inner meaning. Minimalist or elaborate I have found myself inspired by a wide range of liturgical celebrations when entered prayerfully. That said, I believe the original article was a reasonable critique. Underpinning it was a recognition that the sacredness of the liturgy lies in its power to draw us into the mystery of God’s saving love. When we allow it, our authentic response is awe, gratitude, and reverence. Authentic worship is never trivial. Of course, the liturgy also calls us to service by uniting us with Christ’s sacrifice. I found the author’s acknowledgement that both the Pope’s and the liturgy’s call to service needs more enactment in his life to be both humble and sincere. Unfortunately many of the responses posted have missed that mark. The Gospel of Christ is not a sledge hammer. It is not “conservative” or “progressive” it is an invitation to conversion. I would suggest less ardour on both sides to prove themselves right and more ardour to be right with God.

          • geraldine clark

            The tone of so much of this debate is so sad, and I have to face that I often feel the same kind of frustrated, disrespectful attitude in my own mind. It’s good to be reminded about what is wrong about this reaction.
            Let’s just stop, pray, and try to be kind. We are an ongoing scandal to the atheists, agnostics and non-Catholics amoung whom we live. They look at our lives and see just how we treat each other. Any other solutions for this out there?

          • Tip Cowan

            Francis is such a breath of fresh air that many of the above commenters don’t know which way to turn. One problem of the present day Catholic church is too many of the “Princes” live like princes.
            Tip Cowan

          • Dave K

            We are all sinners, with strengths and weaknesses, and reading all this does make me marvel anew at the ancient Orthodox Christian faith (the other lung of the Church, in JPII’s words). We have the unchanging Divine Liturgy and the strongest possible commitment to walking the way of humility and forgiveness of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ. May the Mother of God bless my Catholic brothers and sisters as they celebrate Easter. Christ is risen indeed!

      • Mara319

        Frank,
        Holy Mass did not just begin at the Last Supper. The Mass is the wholeness of Jesus’ being - divinity, incarnation, passion, death, resurrection, ascension, and commissioning of His disciples. His whole humanity is the Passion.

        At the penitential rite, we express the Old Testament longing for forgiveness of transgressions and His long-awaited coming. At the Gloria (sang by angels at His Nativity), His incarnation and birth as a human being.
        At the Readings, His public life and teachings. At the Canon of the Mass, His Supreme Sacrifice and Death (with the Blessed Mother becoming our own Mother, too.) At the Unde et memores, His descent into the limbo of the patriarchs and opening of Heaven. At the Agnus Dei, His resurrection - and so on, and so forth.

        Being that Holy Mass is the source and summit of our very lves, it deserves every best thing we could offer in union with Christ’s own Sacrifice.

        Be like the woman who broke an expensive alabaster jar of perfume (worth a year’s wages) to anoint Jesus for His forthcoming death and burial. Judas criticized her, saying the perfume should have been sold and the money “given to the poor.”
        But Jesus said to let her be. “For wherever the Gospel is preached, so this woman will be remembered for what she did.” The event is reported all the Gospels - in Matthew 26, Mark 14, Luke 7, and John 12.
        .
        So those of you who said all Christ requires is “give to the poor…the poor…the poor!” (not excluding Pope Francis!) and there’s no need to worship God in beauty and reverence - You may have Judas as your patron saint!

  • Dianne Legault

    Instead of being negative of the Pope, why not pray for him? Why are you second guessing the Holy Spirits choice in the Conclave.

    • disqus_KWqcWZOpiq

      Oh so sede vacante

      The JP2 “canonization” will seal the deal

      My bet is that they will just delay it. Papal canonizations are infallible and there’s plenty of doubt about what happened to JP2’s soul, not only with his complicity with the sex abuse scandals but also his lukewarmness against false religions and for Catholicism. They won’t show their cards on this one. If they do, I think the nearest sedevacantist may see me return!

    • William Jefferson

      Note: The Holy Spirit does not pick the Pope. Consult a Cardinal Ratzinger on that.

  • John McConnell

    ” It goes without saying that each of the pope’s Masses has been valid…”

    No it doesn’t.

    See the books Work of Human Hands, Tumultuous Times, Iota Unum, The Great Sacrilege, and The Destruction of the Christian Tradition.

    • lilburn jac

      Mr. McConnell,
      I want to understand your point. Instead of only referencing various books, please state the reason(s) why you have taken your specific position.
      Thank you.
      John Crean

      • John McConnell

        If one buys just one of the books I mentioned, or even just scans the amazon.com reviews, it will be much clearer than space allows.

        Suffice to say, what would happen if sometime in future a pope denied the doctrine of the Trinity, stating Jesus was not God but like God, and that the Holy Spirit was a power of God, not a Divine Person. What would you do? Remember, a pope has repeatedly and publicly declared this, in this hypothetical example.

        Would you say, well must be so because the pope says so. Or would you say something is definitely wrong - that this “pope” is teaching lies and is a heretic. And if you did realize he was a heretic by denying the de fide dogma of the Holy Trinity, what would that mean - can a heretic be pope? What would you think in this situation. After all, everyone’s acknowledging him as the bishop of Rome and the successor of Peter. Would you blindly follow the pope because he’s the pope? Or would you seek to find out what the Magisterium teaches, what prior popes have taught, about this situation.

        What has the Church taught *should* be what you would say, and that you will follow that wherever it leads.

        Putting that hypothetical scenario differently, can the Church teach error?

        Basically, your question as a Roman Catholic is, to whom does your loyalty lie - to the Scriptures and Traditions from which are drawn the teachings of the Church (the proximate rule of Faith), or to a pope teaching heresy publicly and pertinaciously.

        Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, #9,1896: “The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium. Epiphanius, Augustine, Theodoret, drew up a long list of the heresies of their times. St. Augustine notes that other heresies may spring up, to a single one of which, should any one give his assent, he is by the very fact cut off from Catholic unity. ‘No one who merely disbelieves in all (these heresies) can for that reason regard himself as a Catholic or call himself one. For there may be or may arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single one of these he is not a Catholic’ (S. Augustinus, De Haeresibus, n. 88).”

        Pope Pius IX, First Vatican Council, Sess. 3, Chap. 2 on Revelation, 1870, ex cathedra: “Hence, also, that understanding of its sacred dogmas must be perpetually retained, which Holy Mother Church has once declared; and there must never be a recession from that meaning under the specious name of a deeper understanding.”

        Pope St. Pius X, Lamentabili, The Errors of the Modernists, July 3, 1907, #22: “The dogmas which the Church professes as revealed are not truths fallen from heaven, but they are a kind of interpretation of religious facts, which the human mind by a laborious effort prepared for itself.”- Condemned

  • lilburn jac

    Thank you for your article.

    In your article, you stated “The painfulness of the Holy Father’s liturgies, I think, arises . . . from the clear lack of affection that Pope Francis maintains for the finer points of liturgical precision and splendor.” I have a couple of thoughts about this.

    First, as you intimate, it’s impossible to know what’s going on in the Pope’s mind (or anyone else’s) during the Mass. So, you may or may not have captured the Pope’s true sense of the Mass. (My luck in guessing what another is thinking is almost nonexistant. Perhaps yours is better.)

    Second, the Last Supper is the sole model for the Mass. Did Jesus incorporate the “precision and splendor” of which you speak, in the Last Supper? He did not. It was a ordinary meal, elevated to holiness by God. If God had wanted precision and splendor, nothing could have prevented it.

    Third, there have been times when I have been so in awe of God, so overwhelmed by Him, that I thought anything less than absolute perfection ( at least to the extent same is humanly possible) would be unacceptable in the celebration of the Mass; that precision and splendor were demanded. But I was wrong. This is not what God wants. Jesus gave us the two great commandments, not one. Neither demands precision or splendor. Within the Mass, a demand for precision and splendor can even be dangerous. These focus the participants on form: we must adorn the alter with splendor; and we must be precise in how we celebrate the Mass. God asks us only to love Him and our neighbor.

    I think Pope Francis has it right.

    • Anna

      Why are people so opposed to glorifying God and praising God in our finest Tradition? Is he not worth our finest?

    • John McConnell

      lilburn jac,

      I’m assuming you aren’t Roman Catholic, or else dusty on your theology.

      Where did you read “the Last Supper is the sole model for the Mass”? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding you. Are you referring to the “new mass”, which is a protestant supper service? The Catholic Church has defined that the Holy Mass is a re-presentation of the Sacrifice on Calvary. See the Council of Trent.

      Next, some sacraments were given explicit form by Jesus Christ - baptism and the Eucharist, for example. Those forms must be respected by adherence to the actual words of Jesus Christ. Other sacraments, such as confirmation and extreme unction, have valid and licit forms given by the Church infallibly inspired by the Holy Ghost. To say, as you do, that the Last Supper was “a [sic] ordinary meal, elevated to holiness by God” - again, with what dogmatic Roman Catholic teaching are you backing up that assertion? The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Jesus Christ performed a miracle of transubstantiation by turning bread into his own flesh and wine into his actual blood, at the same time making the Apostles bishops of the Church, and instituting a sacrament both of sacrifice and incorporation into the body of Christ by which all men might be saved and attain to Heaven, united with his imminent death on Calvary. If you are conveying the same idea by calling it an “ordinary meal” that was “elevated to holiness by God”, your word choice is inadequate. To illustrate, could not McDonald’s make your same assertion, such as it stands, about any Tom, Dick, or Harry saying grace over one of their piping hot Happy Meals.

      Next, what you “thought” God wanted is irrelevant. What IS relevant is what the Roman Catholic Church has decreed and taught about valid sacramental form. Otherwise, why were councils and popes repeatedly addressing the issue of valid sacramental form if you are right? They could simply have taken your stance and adopted the Burger King jingle “Have it your way!”

      Council of Trent, Session 22, chapter ix:

      1. If anyone says that in the mass a true and real sacrifice is not offered to God, or that to be offered is nothing else than that Christ is given to us to eat, let him be anathema.

      Same session, the Decree Concerning Things to be Observed and Avoided in the Celebration of the Mass:

      “What great care is to be taken that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass be celebrated with all religious devotion and reverence, each one may easily conceive who considers that in the sacred writings he is called accursed who does the work of God negligently.”

      The above could explain why you say: “I think Pope Francis has it right.”

  • Leon Ward

    Please try to understand that this Pope is trying to get us to understand Jesus. Jesus was not about ritual, He was about action. There was little or no pomp and circumstance with Jesus. Ans later St. Paul cautioned us about these kinds of things (organized, hierarchical religion, “authority”, wagging our hierarchical fingers in the faces of the faithful.
    Suggestion - get a hold of Hans Kungs’ “Why I am a Christian” and I guarantee you’ll come away from it with a refreshing understanding of what Christ was all about. And this Pope gets it.

    • John McConnell

      The “pope” [sic] is denying de fide dogmas. He’s not trying to get you to understand anything about Roman Catholicism. He’s trying to get you to think like a Protestant. And recommending Hans Kung, who is an Arian heretic who denies the Divinity of Christ, is preposterous. Of that I’m sure.

      My understanding - I haven’t run the references down so this is tentative but highly probable - is Kung also denies the miracles of the Gospel occurred as narrated, and he denies the Resurrection was a historical event.

      A heretic cannot be Catholic, and a non-Catholic cannot be pope. See Cum ex Apostolatus Officio, canon 188.4, see Pope Pius XII’s Mystici Corporis in which he states: “Actually, only those are to be included as members of the Church who have received the laver of regeneration and profess the true faith.”

      Is Frannie the Funky Faith Guy professing the true faith? Indifferentism, universal salvation, interfaith worship - all condemned pre-Vatican II. Frannie clearly is a Modernist.

      Pope Pius IX, First Vatican Council, Sess. 3, Chap. 2 on Revelation, 1870, ex cathedra: “Hence, also, that understanding of its sacred dogmas must be perpetually retained, which Holy Mother Church has once declared; and there must never be a recession from that meaning under the specious name of a deeper understanding.”

      Pope St. Pius X, Lamentabili, The Errors of the Modernists, July 3, 1907, #22: “The dogmas which the Church professes as revealed are not truths fallen from heaven, but they are a kind of interpretation of religious facts, which the human mind by a laborious effort prepared for itself.”- Condemned

      Ya, Leon, “this pope [sic] gets it”, alright.

      • Leon Ward

        To John McConnell: I was educated at a Jesuit University in the early 1960’s. In those days we had to minor in Thomistic Philosophy as well as taking a course in Theology each semester. The most important lesson I learned from the Jesuits is that God gave us a brain for a reason.
        I have never read any one as inspired by Christ as Hans Kung is. He is absolutely fascinated by Jesus.
        The “problem” with Kung is that he has questions about the Hierarchy (and St. Paul warned us about a hierarchical church).
        Don’t you have a problem with Popes, Cardinals and Bishops who tortured and burned human beings alive because of interpretations on Theology? I bet you think Christ was jumping for joy when this nonsense was going on. And the Hierarchy, feeling threatened, has attacked him. His one notable critique is that the Pope is not infallible. I am a daily communicant and I agree. A person who had human beings burned alive, or who protected egregious pedophiles like Marciel Maciel and ruled over a program of hiding pedophiles and exposing innocent children to the predators, and who used the Body and Blood of Christ as a political tool, is not infallable. A man (any Pope) who thinks Jesus gives a crap if you or I eat a hot dog on Friday (remember that one, when our souls were subject to eternal damnation for eating meat on Friday?) is not infallable. It’s all about power and control.
        And this Pope has not given any indication whatsoever that he does not support and defend the teachings of the Church. Every time he has been asked, he has asserted the teachings. He’s saying something like this: “OK all you good Catholics, now get out there and emulate Christ. Feed the hungry and love the poor. Stop talking about it, and get into action”.

        • John McConnell

          Leon,

          Being “fascinated by Jesus” - I don’t recall that particular item in either the Apostles or Nicene Creed. Because it has nothing to do with being Roman Catholic. Apparently neither do you. Because for anyone not to denounce an apostate like Hans Kung is to profess a false faith in the external forum. Which you have just done. In fact you extol Kung. It would be more helpful for everyone if you simply prefaced your remarks with, “Hi, my name is Leon, and I’m an apostate.” That way we know where you’re coming from.

          But to the matter at hand. You state: “And this Pope has not given any indication whatsoever that he does not support and defend the teachings of the Church.”

          Really? Which church? You surely mean the post-Vatican II “church of the New Advent” [sic], which condemns nothing - not even Hans Kung. Because Jorge has made it very clear your statement above is tohu wa bohu were you speaking of pre-Vatican II Roman Catholicism.

          1. Jorge say we worship the same God as the Jews and Muslims, although both of those groups deny Jesus Christ was God. This contradicts the Magisterium and the Apostle John (1 Jon 2:23): “Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also.”

          2. Jorge praises Islam, another group rejecting the divinity of Christ, a group that teaches “He who believes in the Trinity is impure just like excrement and urine”. Jorge say: “Christians and Muslims, we are called to respect the religion of the other.” That is called INDIFFERENTISM.

          3. Jorge say no one needs to be converted to the Roman Catholic Faith: “The Catholic Church cannot engage in proselytism.” He has called proselytism “solemn nonsense”. That is called INDIFFERENTISM.

          Indifferentism has been condemned by:

          a. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, ex cathedra, 1441.
          b. Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos, 1832, #13.
          c. Pope Pius XI, Syllabus of Errors, 1864, #16.
          d. Pope St. Pius X, Pascendi Dominici Gregis, 1907, #14.
          e. Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, 1928, #4.

          But Jorge he say, “No way, Jose”. Jorge like heap big indifferentism. So clearly Jorge has receded from a point of doctrine proposed by the Church’s authoritative Magisterium - contrary to your claim.

          Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, 1896, #9: “The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium. Epiphanius, Augustine, Theodoret, drew up a long list of the heresies of their times. St. Augustine notes that other heresies may spring up, to a single one of which, should any one give his assent, he is by the very fact cut off from Catholic unity. ‘No one who merely disbelieves in all (these heresies) can for that reason regard himself as a Catholic or call himself one. For there may be or may arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single one of these he is not a Catholic’ (S. Augustinus, De Haeresibus, n. 88).”

          • Leon Ward

            Mr. McConnell: Like I said before, the Jesuits taught me that God gave us brains for a reason.
            And one more thing - I don’t appreciate right-wingers suggesting I am not a good Catholic and that they are. The last a-hole who suggested so much apologized before I kicked his #$@.
            Grow up, you brain-washed man-child.
            Jesus rose from the dead. Of that I’m certain. He didn’t create a religion full of man-made rules. His one rule was to “love God and to love your neighbor as yourself”.
            Too bad you didn’t live in the Middle Ages. You missed all the fun watching heretics being burned alive. And I bet you think Jesus was nodding his head in approval.

          • John McConnell

            Leon,

            Thank you for your thoughtful follow-up. Apparently you’ve forgotten your Jesuit training in logic - your post abounds in logical fallacies. Which explains your apostasy perhaps from Roman Catholicism.

            Your finding fault with the Roman Catholic Church because its members were not all saints begs the question, doesn’t it? Who taught you in the first place that membership in the Roman Catholic Church means instant sainthood? Your critique would be more to the point were you critiquing, say, the Eleusinian Mysteries. The mystery religions only permitted entrance to noble specimens of manhood like yourself. But the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ did and does things differently. You may recall Julian the Apostate commenting on that. Someone sympathetic to your views.

            You have no cogent replies for your heresy and apostasy because there are none.

            Nor can you back up your previous specious claim that “this Pope has not given any indication whatsoever that he does not support and defend the teachings of the Church”. The falsity of which claim I have already refuted: See previous post.

            I’m not suggesting you’re not a good Catholic. I’m not even explicitly, explicitly, explicitly stating you’re no Catholic at all. Pope Leo XIII is explicitly, explicitly, explicitly stating you’re an apostate, an apostate based on your repeated heretical statements in the external forum, as you recede from defined dogmas of the Church. That is the definition of an apostate. I’m sure the Jesuits taught you that back in the 60s:

            Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, #9,1896: “The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium. Epiphanius, Augustine, Theodoret, drew up a long list of the heresies of their times. St. Augustine notes that other heresies may spring up, to a single one of which, should any one give his assent, he is by the very fact cut off from Catholic unity. ‘No one who merely disbelieves in all (these heresies) can for that reason regard himself as a Catholic or call himself one. For there may be or may arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single one of these he is not a Catholic’ (S. Augustinus, De Haeresibus, n. 88).”

            “He [yes, that means you, Leon, and your exemplar Hans Kung] is not a Catholic.” — Pope Leo XIII

          • Robt Drake

            John McConnell…. Keep His Peace in your heart and pray for our brother leon and his misguided sense of entitlement… Ask our Lord to give him the eyes to see and hears to hear

          • Mike S Clifford

            Heretics are not brothers.

          • Robt. Drake

            I think you aptly explained how egotistical you are…. and as a Catholic I suggest you seek our Lords Mercy…. Put off your hate and re-read St Ignatius of Loyola’s writings about Mercy and memorize St. Francis’s PEACE Prayer ! It should give you a different perspective… Oh Yes! We are in the Easter Tide… I would be appropriate to read the Gospel of John chapter 17: 1-26…. then go back and read John’s entire Gospel after reading chapter 17.

          • Robert Pentangelo

            Including. . .St. John Chapter 8??? Oh boy, that’s a great one!

          • Robert Pentangelo

            Love you neighbor? I agree. Guess you missed the point of the parable of the Good Samaritan-Jesus makes him the good guy-to the dismay of the Scribes and Pharisees.

          • Gloria

            Leon, why do you bother…they read words and interpret them as they are brain washed as you put it…feeling and living from the heart is what Jesus is all about…not all the rules…you are right, the pope gets this and kudos to him. Don’t engage in this ridiculousness.

          • Mike S Clifford

            The Jesuits went liberal and by so doing split from the Church long before the Vatican 2 Counterchurch started to eclipse the Church.

          • ndfansince53

            Just feed the hungry and help the poor and you’ll be OK. That’s not from me, but from a guy who was waiking around about 2,000 years ago.

          • Robert Pentangelo

            Whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.

            I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, whoever believes i me shall be saved.

            No one comes to the Father, except through me.

            This is the New and everlasting Covenant in my blood.

            Should I keep going?

          • Liliane Stern

            You lucky guy, you are saved and will go to heaven after you die. You really believe that fairy tale?

          • David

            John, with all due respect, you’re an idiot, a pompous ass, and a Pharisee who Christ will throw out with the rest of the chaff that has failed to love as he loved us.

          • John McConnell

            David,

            Your logical fallacy of ad hominem aside - which is all your post amounts to - what Catholic teaching are you backing that up with? I have backed up what I’ve stated with Catholic dogma of the ordinary and universal Magisterium articulated by Pope Leo XIII. See above. So in fact you are calling Pope Leo XIII a “pompous ass and a Pharisee” - which shows the true nature of your comment.

            Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, #9,1896: “The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium….

        • Lovelett Knight

          “…God gave us a brain for a reason..”
          Thank you for that statement!
          Being raised in an Evangelical family, church and school, I was taught to “love God with all my heart and all my body and all my soul and my neighbour as myself”.
          I came into the Catholic Church when I was thirty, more than thirty years ago.
          It has been only in the past two years that I have come to understand and deeply appreciate that He has also called me to love Him with “all my mind”.
          This clarity has revolutionized my spiritual life. I have come to understand how my will is involved in my love and my service and as a result my service to Him and to others has become more and more “effortless”; my desire has been sharpened and focused and there is so much peace and joy now than ever before.
          Just had to write this .

        • Robert Pentangelo

          Ok, let’s emulate Christ: so when do we start blasting the Scribes and the Pharisees? When do we condemn them for plotting and conspiring to murder Jesus? When do we demand the Jews take responsibility for the actions of their predecessors for engineering the death of Christ?

          Never. As long as people like yourself, the servants of Vatican 2 and this present Pope have anything to say about it.

          • Leon Ward

            We don’t have to blast the Scribes and Pharasees. Jesus took care of that for us. They were the only people that Jesus spoke ill of. He attacked them to their faces calling the hypocrites and “whited sepulchres”. Jesus had little tolerance for those in power walking around in their robes and ceremonial head-dress creating rules and laws for the little guy. Jesus couldn’t stand these types (sound familiar?)
            Demand the Jews take responsibility? Jesus took care of that too. I think he said something like “Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do”.

          • Robert Pentangelo

            The Scribes and Pharisees are still around or to be more accurate their religion is; contemporary Jews deny that “the Jews” had any responsibility in the death of Christ. Jesus not only not only condemned their hypocrisy but the arrogance and faithlessness.

            We are children of Abraham; no you are not; or you would do as Abraham did-what was that? An act of faith that was credited to him as righteousness-the followers of the Pharisees are still with us-and chummy with the current Pope.

          • Robert Pentangelo

            The quotation you cite proves my point: Jesus is praying that they be forgiven-so that the wrath of God may not fall upon them for this terrible act-check out any of the “Jewish-Catholic” Dialogue videos on YouTube and NEVER will the “Catholic” or Jewish representative acknowledge any fault by the Jews-meaning the NT is a pack of antisemitic lies.

            Keep reading the NT-you will eventually catch on.

          • sqeptiq

            Shouldn’t we instead be grateful to Judas and all who brought about Jesus’ execution? Without it, we’d all be hellbound.

          • Liliane Stern

            Nobody is hell bound or would have since it was God who planned the torture, execution and death of his only begotten son, Jesus, at least according to Christian belief.

          • Dave K

            This is not the original and ancient Christian belief - at all. I suggest that you look at the teachings of the Orthodox Church. You will be surprised at what you find!

          • Liliane Stern

            Show me, Dave K, where I will find those Orthodox Church teachings. Be precise and tell me exactly which beliefs you are referring to and which you support. There are more than 38,000 different Christian denominations each proclaiming to be the only true one. But the Orthodox or Fundamentalist Catholic Church is the most strident about that claim and also the most powerful in our country.

          • Dave K

            The 2,000-year history of the Eastern Orthodox Church is well-known. The Wikipedia entry is a good place to start, and ancientfaith.com is definitely worth exploring. May God bless you on your journey!

          • Mike S Clifford

            “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” (St. Matthew 25:41), unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the Sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and Unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, ex cathedra, papal bull, Cantate Domino, Council of Florence, February 4th 1441; Fr. Henry Denzinger, Sources of Catholic Dogma, #714, imprimatur, 1955)

          • Robert Pentangelo

            God did not plan it-He allowed it in order that evil humankind could be redeemed.

          • Mike S Clifford

            God let Himself die and resurrect Himself for all but only His faithful get to reap the benefits and everyone who practices Jewry inherits the curse of being guilty of the Body and Blood of Him.

          • Robert Pentangelo

            Since Judas is in hell, I do not think so. This is yet another bizarre Protestant idea.

          • Liliane Stern

            By insulting the Jewish people and blaming them for the death of Christ you are proving that you are a Jew hater, an anti-Semite and actually since Jesus was a well respected most Jewish Rabbi, a hater of Christ. Do you know who killed Christ? Are you sitting down? It was God, his Father , your God, who caused Jesus, his only son, to suffer on the cross and die for your sins and all of humanity’s. How does it make you feel to know that the blood of Jesus was necessary to wash away your sins. Does that not strike you as the most barbaric, primitive concept? Do you believe in such cruelty perpetrated by your God?

          • Robert Pentangelo

            Jesus was referred to by His followers as “Rabbi” but also as “Lord”-the Apostles, the Virgin Mary, St. Paul knew He IS the Son of God and the Redeemer. I am a hater of Christ? No, that is a lie. But the predecessors of Bergolio’s friends hated Christ and were clever enough to use the Romans to do their dirty work for them.

            In trying to understand the nature of the sacrifice of Christ, I invite you to think beyond your own sectarian confines to try to imagine the unimaginable-the vastness and savagery of human sin, cruelty, crime, and blasphemy that God has endured since He brought the human race into existence. That’s a lot of evil to compensate for.

          • Liliane Stern

            And who do you think created man as so savage sinful, cruel, blasphemous, etc.? What I am saying is that the Jesus story is a myth, written quite a few years after his death and made to conform to the expected Jewish Messiah as written in the old testament. Read about Zoroaster, Mythras, etc. You will see that those are all born of virgins, accomplished miracles, were tortured, killed and resurrected just like Jesus. Read Ellen Pagels’ “The Gnostics”, also Valerie Tarico’s,” Trusting Doubt.” Egyptian, Roman, Babylonian, Greek mythology books abound in the public Libraries. You will be surprised at what you will find.

          • Mike S Clifford

            Ever heard of original sin? Or does the Novus Ordo Counterchurch not teach that? Only Jesus was born of a virgin, accomplish miracles on His own Power, and was resurrected. Ellen Pagels was an Evangelical Protestant, not a Christian; so I know for a fact Catholics aren’t allowed to read her writings.

          • Robert Pentangelo

            You are willing to accept the NT as a reliable source as to the “rabbinate” of Jesus but not as to ultimately who engineered His death-it was neither His heavenly Father nor the Romans so that kind of narrows it down.

          • Liliane Stern

            There are many versions of the New Testament but one thing is clear, that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi who taught the Torah at synagogues. He was even more Jewish than the Jewish leaders such as the Pharisees and Sadducees. The last supper was Passover Night. The Sanhedrin court did not work on the Sabbath. Every Gospel Mark, Mathew, John and Luke tells a different story but one thing is for sure, Jesus was an avowed Jewish Rabbi. Read about it in Bernard Starr’s ” Jesus uncensored.” Jesus was made to suffer and die for the sins of man, as he was predestined to do. Everything that preceded his death went according to plan as written by his so-called disciples. What made you think that I accepted the NT? How did you conclude that it was neither his heavenly father nor the Romans? If Starr does not convince you read some of Archbishop John Shelby Spong’s books on Christianity dying out.

          • Mike S Clifford

            The 1610 Douay-Rheims Version and the 1752 Challoner-Haydock Version are the only 2 versions ever approved by the true Catholic Church. What your false Vatican 2 Counterchurch approves doesn’t matter. It has no right to exist.

          • Mike S Clifford

            “But their senses were made dull; because, until this present day, the selfsame veil, in the reading of the Old Testament, remains not taken away; because, in Christ, it is made void.” (2nd of Ap. St. Paul to the Corinthians 3:14)

          • Suzanne Phillips

            Are you suggesting that the church should demand justice from the Jews for the death of Christ? Or just being facetious? You seemed sane until now.

          • Robert Pentangelo

            That’s exactly what I am suggesting-Good Friday seems a good day for it.

          • Liliane Stern

            You are the exact opposite of what Christ preached. The only message you picked up was the hatred towards the Jewish people when in fact what Jesus was doing, by being angry at the Pharisees for using the Synagogue as a center for money transactions, often suspicious, was protecting Judaism and its holy places of worship, Synagogues, not Christianity, which was unknown at the time. You are exhibiting the hateful traits and unjustified vengefulness of the Nazis and the KKK, etc who only want and believe that only white Fundamentalist Christians, have the right to exist. That is what motivated and still does all kinds of genocides. Heaven protect us from the likes of you. Pope Francis sure has a lot of damage control to do if there are too many of the likes of you. You are a true Fascist. Jesus is probably turning over in his grave in revulsion.

          • Robert Pentangelo

            Are you a Jew, an atheist, or what? You are certainly not a Christian since one of the most fundamental articles of faith is that Our Lord “suffered, died, and was buried, and rose from the dead on the third day.” You have zero idea of what Christ preached and unlike the “liberal false Christ” you have in mind the animus between Christ and the Pharisees was not limited to their greed, venality, or even hypocrisy. I suggest you read John Chapter 8 to start with-maybe Rabbi Bergolio should do so also. By the way, the Nazis were not Christians and the KKK are racialists which is antithetical to Catholicism.

          • Liliane Stern

            If your Lord died but resurrected and rose to heaven then he did not die. What sins are we guilty of? Also why did a scape goat like the son of God have to die in such an awful way? Is that an example of God’s compassion? Did Jesus want revenge against all future generations of Jewish people? Is hatred what Jesus taught? Pope Francis says No! He believes that a true Christian or good human being should recognize and respect different people’s right to believe anything they want and just to love, forgive, help others and live in peace. Are you a real Christian? You cannot with all the hatred, vengefulness, condemnation and racism in you be a true Christian. I feel sorrow for you and your total distortion of what Jesus’s message was about.

          • Robert Pentangelo

            Anti Pope Francis is only good at being either the Vicar or Chief Stooge of Lucifer. I cannot quite figure out if he is just a pathetic liberal who either lost or never had the Catholic Faith or if he is more sinister-maybe we will never know but his groveling to the Jews and his chummy attitude to the Freemasons makes me very suspicious.

            Let me put it this way: as a Christian I am not free to make up my own religion and call it Catholicism-that is because doctrines and dogmas are and have always been essential to Catholicism-for reasons which should be self evident but I guess are not in this day and age.

            Stop telling me I am distorting Jesus’message when you have no clue what that message was and is.

          • Robert Pentangelo

            When the Jews finally admit after 2000 years that their ancestors were wrong for having Christ tortured and crucified, then we can talk.

    • Anna

      Yes Jesus was about Ritual, he took part in all the Jewish Ritual, observed all their fasts etc

      • Leon Ward

        Where does it say that?

    • Robert Pentangelo

      Hans Kung is not a Christian, so his book is either a pack of lies or belongs in the fiction section of the library.

      Leon, please tell me what New Testament you are reading since everything you mentiioned was left out of mine.

      • Leon Ward

        I am part of a Catholic Bible study group. We actually read the New Testament rather than having someone else read it and interpret it for us.

    • Cradle Convert

      Hans Kung is a notorious heretic. Do your homework. Your observation that the Pope agrees with him is astute. If you — and for that matter, any member of the hierarchy — including the Pope..doesn’t want to be catholic, please go BE something else and stop trying to further mutate and deform the church.

    • Better suggestion: Avoid ANYTHING associated with Hans Kung..

    • Robert Pentangelo

      Kung-does not even believe the historicity of the Gospels or that Christ is in fact the Divine Second Person of the Trinity incarnate. Kung’s book is a great misnomer-it should be Why I am Not A Christian-at least then like Bertrand Russell, he would have been an honest man.

    • Robert Pentangelo

      Not about ritual, eh? Guess that is why He was raised as an observant Palestinian Jew by two observant Palestinian Jews, St. Mary and St. Joseph. St. Paul was the LAST person you should quote to support your nonsense opinion-he was opposed to the Scribes and Pharisess (of which he had been one) since they were the enemies of Christ and the Gospel. See if you can find that in any of Rabbi Bergolio’s stuff.

  • garry

    I appreciate your honesty. Pope Francis’ approach to liturgy must be a big shock for a generation that has grown up with the strong emphasis on the absolute adherence to the proper rubrics and the use of the most expensive and elaborate vestments and the most precious and sacred vessels made of the finest gold and silver. Generations of orthodox (and particularly home schooled Catholics) were taught by EWTN that these were absolutely essential to preserve and protect the utter transcendancy and sacredness of the holy sacrifice of the Mass. So of course, you and others like you are shocked. But as you can see from these responses that there were many other Catholics who grew tired of what they perceived as too much emphasis on formal Masses presided by grim faced clerics who dressed in the finest robes and prided themselves in remaining aloof and removed from the every day world that they percieved as tainted. The world that Pope Francis highlights in his ministry to the poor and the outcast. He teaches that the shepherds of the Church need to work so closely with the poor that they take on the odor of the sheep. And, the princes of the Church are now embarassed to wear expenisve clerics and gold and jeweled pectoral crosses. He makes clerics who live in luxurious rectories and drive luxury cars uncomfortable. Challenging the wealthy elite, he is even making the wealthy donor friends of the clerical world uncomfortable too! Mass can be a very beautiful ritual; and it can be done in a formal and carefully planned and excellent way adhering to all the rubrics but if our individual and collective prayers do not lead us to a deep conversion of heart and a genuine love for the poor so that we hear the cry of the poor, then it is all for nought and does us little good. At the Last Judgment, if we have shown little mercy to the least among us, we will be no better than the pagans who just sought to eat, drink and be merry.

    • Don Brennan

      After all, He is the Pope and he leads by example. If the changes offend the purists…so be it. I am with the Pope on making the Holy Mass much more ‘the heart of man reaching up to God and God, in His love, reaching down…Who cares if the rubrics are bypassed? I don’t….and thousands will agree with this stance. D Brennan Warren MI USA

      • John McConnell

        It doesn’t matter how many people agree with a person when he’s burning in hell. Truth isn’t about how many people answered incorrectly and then taking their answer to be truth. That’s simply the logical fallacy of illicit appeal. It’s also the sin of presumption.

        What does matter - for actual Roman Catholics who profess the true faith - is what the Church’s Magisterium historically has taught. For if truth cannot change, the Church’s teachings and dogmas cannot change. To suggest truth can change can is illogical for anyone to assert, and heretical for actual Roman Catholics.

        Re the “new mass” for example, it’s condemned in Pope St. Pius V’s Quo Primum, and condemned by the Council of Trent, 7th session, canon 13: “If anyone was to say that the traditionally handed-down rites used in the solemn administration of the sacraments [the Tridentine Rite] can be held in disdain or be shortened or be changed into new ones by whomsoever [“quiscumque”] of the pastors of the churches, may he be cursed.”

        Note, even *saying* the new mass is valid, which you are, Don, is enough to excommunicate you. So says Trent ex cathedra.

        • Brooklyn Dave

          Please enlighten me. What liturgy was in use by the Western Church before the Tridentine liturgy? Was it the liturgy formulated by Pope Leo in the 8th century, or something different?

          • John McConnell

            Pope St. Pius V codified the existing Western Latin rites while leaving some alone - (eg, Mozarabic, etc) - into the Tridentine Mass, adding in the papal bull “Quo Primum” that this Mass was irreformable. Read Quo Primum.
            Next, if you have the sincere interest, read the book “Work of Human Hands” by Cekada, which makes clear the highly questionable nature of the “new mass”. Or, the book “The Great Sacrilege” by Wathen.

      • Robert Pentangelo

        This Pope is either a fool, a modernist, or a closet Freemason. I am glad that most people think of him as Argentinian and forget he is of Italian ancestry-we have enough fools and villains already.

        You forget or never learned that the Mass is the representation of Christ’s very sacrifice on Calvary-and the the priest, acting with Christ, offers that eternal sacrifice to the Father for the glory of God (not humankind) and the salvation of God’s chosen people (no longer the Jews), but the Church.

      • Robert Pentangelo

        What purists are you talking about? You mean the people trying to remain faithful to holy tradition and the Gospel and don’t want a Protestant-Masonic-Jewish-Pagan prayer service masquerading as a Catholic Liturgy.

        • Brooklyn Dave

          Rather than going solely by Pius V’s condemnation in Quo Primum, you give the reasons why the “new liturgy” is lacking in comparison with the “old” I guess I am not very good at being blindly obedient -but we’re winding up at the same place.

        • tubbs

          Hey - you forgot to throw the Illuminati in there too.

    • Anna

      It was God himself who set the standards for his worship in giving His instructions to Solomon in the Old Testament about building the Temple and ways of worship. The Popes did not make this up. If God is not worth praising and worshiping with our best then nothing else matters.

      • JerseyTea

        ..and it was Jesus who came to refute the old way and bring in the Truth.

        • rodlarocque1931

          This isn’t true - Jesus was a very devout temple Jew. He took the temple worship very seriously and didn’t abolish it, but restored the spirit behind it.

          • Mike S Clifford

            Jesus was a Judean, not a Jew. Judaism was the Faith of the Old Covenant. Jewry is a rejection of Jesus as the Messias and the Jewish anticipation of their false “Messias”. The Old Covenant is null and void (Ap. St. John 19:30).

        • nmfd72

          “I did not come to change the law but to fulfill it”:Matthew 5:17

          • Mike S Clifford

            The Old Covenant is null and void (Ap. St. John 19:30).

    • LloydTheDuck

      Dismayed trads have an easy solution at hand: watch Cardinal Burke’s masses, not Pope Francis’. Plus, then they won’t have to buy Alka-Seltzer as often!

    • Robert Pentangelo

      I grew up in the 1960’s having served the Latin Mass with the 1962 changes made by Roncalli-never had the pleasure and honor of serving the Tridentine Mass. I also saw the folk masses and guitar masses and the Protestantizing of the Liturgy-thanks to Vatican 2 and people like Montini, Karol W, Ratzinger, and now worst of all Rabbi Bergolio. What planet have you lived on? Take a cyber trip on the internet including YouTube and you will see clown masses, dancing masses, vodoo masses, and every abomination anyone has yet to think of-and I don’t mean looking at stuff from the 60’s and 70’s either. Bergolio is an antipope and false prophet.

    • Rev. Donmald Hill, D.D.

      The pope occupies an “office” that has no basis in either history or scripture.

      It is a position that gradually came into existence and was never accepted entirely by the universal church. Gregory 1 was offered the title of Universal Bishop in 604 A.D. but would not accept it. Boniface 3 accepted it in 607 A.D. and became the first official pope.

      The Catholic Church claims Christ instituted the papacy when He said in Matthew 16:18 “…thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church…” Please read the entire passage of Matthew 16:15-18-19. In the original Greek language of the New Testament two different Greek words were used. Christ actually said “Thou art Petros (meaning a stone) “And upon this petra (meaning massive rock) I will build my church.”
      The Apostle Paul wrote “Other foundation can no man lay, than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” (1 Corinthians 3:11) Peter said other Christian were “living stones” like himself, and were part of that “spiritual house” known as the church. (1 Peter 2:5) Like Peter we are built upon the petra, the massive rock which is Christ, to form the church.
      Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Evangelist.

      • Robert Pentangelo

        The same Protestant canards recycled over 500 years-the greatest refutation of their interpretation lies later in chapter 16 of St. Matthew’s Gospel where Jesus gives the keys of the kingdom to St. Peter-this proves the Lord is appointing him to exercise the same spiritual authority to shepard His flock as Christ Himself has-and that He,Jesus, will send the Holy Spirit to protect Peter so the gates of hell will never prevail upon His Church.

        Give it up after five centuries.

        Why do you Protestants teach that evildoers can enter into the Kingdom of Heaven when St. John the Baptist, St. Peter, St. Paul (who is to you the co-founder of Christianity) and the Lord Himself teach to the contrary?

      • Robert Pentangelo

        Since this is Good Friday I should also ask: why do you pretend to follow the Bible and either ignore or disrespect the Blessed Virgin Mary?

      • Mike S Clifford

        You suck at history. Jesus clearly made Ap. St. Peter the visible leader of the Church on Earth (Ap. St. John 21:15-18). The word “pope” was coined in the 3rd century and it didn’t exclusively refer to St. Peter’s successor until the 10th century. I’m not surprised you didn’t read any other that Your religion repudiates Scripture and teaches you to twist and cherrypick from it. You’re not even part of the Church. You’re a false “pastor” and a conman.

    • H Frick

      Thank you so much for this beautiful statement!

    • Chris F.

      Its the NOVUS ORDO Mass. What more can watered down Catholics for the last 50 plus years expect. Go along to get along. No longer do we have the True Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Its a Mass of the Laity to glory for themselves. People lack the faith and sight to see today’s Novus Ordo mass nothing more than an Mockery and Abomination before God Almighty. Nothing more than the Blind leading the Blind with the Smoke of Satan billowing his Smoke through the rafters of with little remains of what used to be distinctly One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. The Great Chastisement foretold by Saints of the past and the Third Secret will unfold sooner than those expect. The intellectual proud and Elite in Church will be fooled. For God’s Justice and Wrath is upon us all. Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall defile the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the continual sacrifice, and they shall place there the abomination unto desolation.

  • Patrick O’Brien

    Thank you Pope Francis’, you are such a inspiration for all walks of life. You lead by example and you put your fellow man first.

    • He should be putting God and the souls of his flock first. That’s the problem with this disaster of a pope…

  • Chouds

    Funny thing about ‘traditionalists’ carping about the Pope, they’re all about revering the holy spirit’s choice of pope, but only if it agrees with their notions. Thank goodness for this Pope. He has all but erased the painful memory of the last pope, who had set a path to oblivion. As for all the pomp and ceremony, did you not get the memo “the carnival is over”.

  • Jonathan

    The tone of this article is very unseemly. We all need to learn humility.

  • D bran

    I have found many protestant converts came to the RCC because of the Mass liturgy.
    Hope it’s not changed to much.

  • marilyn

    WE ARE MOST PROUD OF YOU FOR YOUR LEADER SHIP AND
    DEVOTION TO THE LORD.IF YOU CAN SET A HIGHER PLANE FOR THIS GREAT CHURCH,ANY PRIEST THAT IS NOT UP TO THE TASK OF BEING A PRIEST,RID THIS CHURCH OF THOSE WHO DON’T MEASURE UP TO THE CALLING. I SEND MY LOVE TO YOU ALL ALL THOSE WHO LABOR FOR THE POOR

  • Lawrence Lo

    Lawrence
    It is not enough to have beautiful Mass, we need to extend that beauty to our lives and to the unfortunates around us. This, in my humble opinion, is the message Pope Francis wants to deliver. ‘… Do this in memory of me …” Our Lord has never explained in detail how this ‘memorial of Him’ should be conducted. Our Lord never says His Church has to do this at Mass or you have committed a moral sin or the heaven’s door will be slammed shut at your face. Instead, the Lord states clearly that we have to love our neighbors, serve the outcasts (this little brethen). Our Pope’s concern is that there are some that focuses too much on liturgy and not enough in the real practice of Jesus’ teaching that the whole Church starts looking like hypocrite. I am a professional accountant and there is a rule that we have to always bear in mind when preparing financial reports i.e. substance over form. Its intention is not to belittle the importance of ‘form’, but to stress that form without substance can be misleading and create confusion. In this present argument, we have to identify the form - liturgy; and the substance - the practical part of our faith. It is good to have both, but remember, substance is undeniably as supported by the Gospel and the testimony of the lives of the saints, the solid foundation of our faith. Can you imagine a Church with so many beautiful liturgies, but a terribly weak foundation of faith in practice. One day, if we are asked: where is our faith, We will show not only our beautiful liturgy, but our works of faith as well.

    • Anna

      Yes Our Lord never wrote it down but his apostles, those he instructed, knew and they did it in the early Church which is how the Mass we have now is celebrated.

      • Cradle Convert

        Oh really? So we kick out the catechumens before the Canon? So we close the doors to the heretics and apostates? The new mass has nothing to do with the way it was done in the early church. It is simply a dumbed-down, stripped-down service designed to please protestants.

      • Joseph

        The way we Christians speak to one another is tragic. Everyone wants to b exactly right. When we become fundamentalist in our approach, our ideas become more important than souls, our egos more important than God’s love. We’re just using words here, but we see throughout the world, it only takes a little more hate to go from insulting to killing each other over our egos. Let us pray for greater respect and humility among all who profess to follow Christ.

    • Robert Pentangelo

      “Not enough to have beautiful Mass”-just so you know it is 2014 and NOT 1964 so don’t worry we usually don’t have a beautiful mass.

  • Richard C. Keller

    The tradition of the Church rests with the ancient Latin liturgy which should be much more widespread than it is. But Pope Francis seems to have no interest in it at all. What a shame.

  • D bran

    Jesus loved tradition. Even when he was a child he called it his father’s house. How many times have you been to your father’s house?
    I think the Catholic Church brings people to the fullness of Christ.

  • JMB

    Good speech, but not much essence.
    Follow Christ teaching in actions and forgo the formalities.
    Poor people need food and help not liturgies. The more simple it is, the closer it is to Jesus.
    And that is all what is about !

    • ndfansince53

      Excellent point. Jesus was not into ritual, but rather how we conduct ourselves especially when it comes to helping those less fortunate than us, but yet there are millions of people in this country who claim to be so “Christian” and who then vote for politicians who cut food aid to the poor. Jesus said “feed the hungry”. He put no qualifiers on that. He did not tell us to feed the hungry as long as they have a legitimate reason to be hungry. He did not tell us to feed the hungry, but it’s OK not to if we think they are welfare cheats. He told us to “feed the hungry” and to leave judging to God.

      • John McConnell

        Jesus Christ said a lot of other things which you are conveniently ignoring. You’re also ignoring the Roman Catholic Church is His Church. What you’re saying has everything to do with protestantism and little or nothing to do with Roman Catholicism. For a Roman Catholic, your remark is presumptuous. See Thomas Aquinas, Book IIa, IIae, question 21, Summa Theologica, on the topic of Presumption:

        1. Presumption as a sin against hope is the wholly unreasonable expectation that God will save us despite the bad will in us which makes that saving impossible. Under the name and guise of reliance on God, presumption insults God and dishonors our own intelligence. It is presumption, for example, to expect forgiveness for sins without repentance. It is presumption to expect Heaven without working to get there by merit.

        2. Presumption is a sin, and can be a very grave sin, but it is not so grave a sin as despair. For, though it is inordinate and unreasonable in its expectation, presumption does recognize (however insultingly and distortedly) the divine goodness and mercy which despair utterly rejects and denies.

        3. Presumption seems, at first glace, to be contrary to fear rather than to hope. For the presumptuous man seems to fear nothing, whether by servile fear or by filial fear. But this is mere seeming. The virtue to which presumption stands directly opposed is hope. Hope and presumption deal with the same object; hope, in an orderly manner; presumption, inordinately.

        4. Presumption arises from vainglory, that is, from a prideful trust that a person has in himself as powerful enough to cope with anything, and as a being so excellent that God could not allow him to be punished.

    • Anna

      We need both, the Catholic Church is already doing its work with the poor, I know because I am in the midst of it. It is those Rituals and Liturgies that has kept the Church alive for all these centuries, Jesus founded His Church on Rituals when he set up the Sacraments, i.e Baptism, Eucharist (the last supper), Reconciliation (those whom you bind here on earth will be bound in Heaven), anointing of the sick, he took part in all his Jewish Rituals.

    • John McConnell

      That’s what protestantism is all about, that’s correct.

  • Anna

    It was the father of sociology Comte who wanted to use the structure of the Catholic Church to replace God with Humanity, we have now replaced the worship of God with the worship of Humanity. Humanity has finally replaced God, well done people.

  • D bran

    I am so grateful I found the fullness of Christ in the Catholic Church. pope Francis is awesome.

  • Bill

    I wish you would have given some specific examples of the differences. I don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • willbearalaska

    Just remember the new pope, Francis, comes from an area of the world where the church is the people, not the magisterium. Where Roman and European royalty do not dominate the church, but rather the streets full of people are the church, like 2000 years ago, where Jesus walked among the multitudes, that’s where you will find Pope Francis, out amongst the multitudes; He does walk in the Shoes of the Fisherman. The Christ..

  • D bran

    Love our Pope!

  • profling

    A sacred symbol should mediate directly between God and man without any human explanation. Since V2, the new Church has constantly interfered and tinkered with the liturgy to render it more “meaningful”- a big mistake.

  • ethaba

    back and forth, up and down, to and thro. the form of the mass needs to be stabilized. too many priests adopt this simple form and then get bored with it. then they bore the heck out of everyone else. there is a reason the Lord said do THIS in remembrance of me. o for a western st. john chrysostom.

  • herbharker

    Is the Pope to be our witness ?
    Or are the actions’ to be our witness ?
    Wisdom is not found in words,and words are not found in wisdom.
    Wisdom is a woman and she leads the church with wisdom
    Words are the writings’ of mortals’ and therefore corruptible over time.

    Follow his example and respect his example. This man walks the walk and talks the talk….and chews gum at the same time.

  • Cradle Convert

    Yes Garry. It is so much better now. Now we get teenagers in hot pants, sloppy “extraordinary” ministers with goofy grins, and some failed folk singer banging out “Lord of the Dance” while we try to adore our Lord. Yes, it is soooo much better now. Before you criticize proper liturgy garry, try going to your local FSSP high mass if you are lucky enough to have one within a couple hours of your house. If you have not seen a proper liturgy, please do not criticize what you do not know about. It is possible that you have never seen a properly celebrated mass. Most catholics haven’t.

  • Art Morrissette

    You should reread the meaning of liturgy as outlined in ICor 11: the eucharist is not about rituals, but is always related to reconciliation in the body of Christ. Benedict has always, since the 60s when he was part of the Catholic Inquisition, represented the divisive and cerebral approach of faith in the church. It makes no sense to talk about his style of celebrating the mass while at the same time remembering his complicity by silence with the corruption of the church in Rome and elsewhere, and the perpetration of priests’ child abuses. Paul’s chastising the Corinthians for separating their treatment of others from their participation in the eucharist is a-propos. “Do you not recognize the body of Christ? Paul would approve of Francis.

    • NEMODAT

      What, I wonder, does Art want to do with the thousands of Catholics who have left the church because they cannot abide what they regard as careless, cheap and vulgar liturgies?

      Are we to leave our two millennia of culture to the concert hall, the museum and the Episcopal Church?

  • snapdragon

    This is my second try, as my comments were erased! I said , that it would be easy to say that Pope Emeritus Benedict, could well be almost an opposite to Pope Francis, in character, in personality, in culture.
    I agree with the author that Pope Benedict did so much to beautify the liturgy, and this was one of his many gifts to the Church. I believe Pope Benedict will be remembered fondly for his service to the Church. He could have been home in Bavaria by now, writing on many subjects.
    Pope Francis is Spanish, South American, a Jesuit.
    I am glad he wants to do something for the disadvantaged, and he wants us to also !
    As for his liturgy, I don’t speak Spanish, so cannot hope to say I understand half of what he says, but his Latin seemed to me, when I heard His Mass lately, sort of, … mumbled. Is that fair?
    When Pope Benedict was elected, having had Pope John Paul for 25 years? We were all a bit anxious. And then we were delighted, because we all knew Pope Benedict, as the faithful Defender of the Faith. He did more to identify the “filth” of sex abusers, and tried to bring Pope John Paul up to speed.
    Vatican insiders were grinning from ear to ear with delight. And they were right.
    His precise mind helped him to cultivate liturgies, and as he said , music and liturgy does not have to be banal. It can be modern without being banal.
    Let us remember that. Pope Francis, I don’t know, if he listens to liturgists. Let’s pray that he does.

  • tn

    2 Thessalonians 2. John 5 and 14. 1 John 1 through 5. Colossians 2. . 1 Timothy 4.

    Isaiah 14,42, and 45. Daniel 7. Revelation 1 through 22. http://www.audiobible.com/bible/bible.html http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/thebible.htm

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  • carolina

    your post reminds me of the song by Casting Crowns… “The Altar and the Door”… we are not quite who we want to be yet and we are starting to see that. Great article, thanks.

  • Rev.Dr… (Theol) K. v.Maydell

    I am in full support of Pope Francis, as he, like me, is God loving man. All the ordinances are only man made religious forms and God is stronger than religion. He, Pope Frances like some of his predecessors is trying to steer the belief in God into the right direction, just as Pope Leo X had done it with this quote: “How ell we know what a profitable superstition the Fable of Christ has been for us.” unquote (1513- 1521), as well as The Israelites in their 12th Principle state, quote: ” We are waiting and praying for the arrival for the coming of our Lord.” And this is not for the so called “Second Coming” From the beginning of time, God created us in His image, and the image is to love one another as He loves us, sinner and believers alike. He also does not set any conditions to love Him. Fact is He was born and named Jesus, and the title of Christ was first officially put on Him in the early part of the 4th Century AD. Much of what we, the Christians , read in our Bibles was copied from pre-historic cultures, dating as far back as between 56,000 and 220,000 years BCE, It would do the world good., to follow the belief of the oldest religion, the Hindhus, and follow the instructions of the Mahabarata, the Vedas. In closing, I shall say here as Christian Theologian, am myself writing a book on Universal religion, just as God had planned for mankind, to create a Holy catholic church (Catholic from the Greek means Universal), and has nothing to do with either Roman Catholic or Greek Orthodox. So once again, I salute Pope Francis for his efforts in a more Godly vein.

    • Liliane Stern

      It needs to be said that Jesus knew nothing about Christianity. He was celebrating Passover at the last supper along with his Jewish disciples. He was celebrating the Jewish Faith not Christianity.

  • Grateful Smith

    Many members of the Roman Church are sick and tired of prissy precision.
    How precise was Jesus at the Last Supper?

    • John McConnell

      Since He is God, He was beyond precise.

  • marilyn

    HE’S A JESUIET PRIEST,POOR BY BIRTH,BUT A HEART OF A LION.HE WILL BE GREAT FOR HIS HUMILITY,LOVES FOR COMMON SENSE,JUST WHAT A CHURCH THAT IS SLIPPING AWAY NEEDS TO RESTORE LOVE OF PEOPLE NOT LOVE OF RULES,WE ALL FACE OUR MAKER,WATCH FRANCIS HE IS A WINNER,WISH HE WAS IRISH

  • disqus_UPguSO3RR4

    I love Mass; I thoroughly enjoy it. And perhaps I’m missing your point, but it seems to me that even in it’s etymology, one central goal of the Mass is to give us strength, through sanctifying grace, to go out into the world to do His work. It also reminds me of the transfiguration. Though being in the radiant presence of Christ is indescribably good, we are not supposed to build tents and grasp at God … we are to come down the mountain and (by inference) do God’s work on earth. So, while I’m not suggesting we eschew the beauty of the Mass (particularly a Papal Mass), I don’t think Francis’ “get your hands dirty” approach is misguided. In fact, that’s what’s great about the saints. Each brought something of themselves to their mission; they used the gifts God gave them. I’m sensing Francis is doing the same. Just my two cents.

  • Teri Sheedy Liberator

    To make light of the glory of the Holy sacrifice of Mass, as if our human action in the world has more power than our prayers, is backward. The Blessed Virgin Mary herself has been telling us for over 100 years to return to holiness and prayer and to quit offending God. Jesus said the “Mary has chosen the better part and it will not be taken from her” when Martha asked Jesus to make Mary get up and help her in the kitchen. To sit at the feet of Jesus and to listen to Him is much more efficacious than to busy about in ministries that may or may not reflect the Will of God, since everyone is too busy to say, “Speak, Lord, your servant is listening.”

  • William Van Duzen

    Pope Francis Millie Cirrus the first. The further away from Rome the worst the church gets.

  • Thinkin ItThru

    All of these comments beg the most vital question we each must eventually ask ourselves. Namely, “In whom or in what am I trusting for assurance of my eternal security in Heaven?” If your response isn’t, “There is nothing I can add to Jesus’ finished work on the cross.”, then you have personally missed the reason why He came, and your eternal security is still in peril!

    My own most meaningful experience of the Catholic liturgy occurred during the celebration of a Mass held on a splintered wooden picnic table on the shore next to a northern Wisconsin lake back in 1969. Father William Menzel’s reverence in executing the traditional rite, in a totally untraditional setting, was a powerful example of worshiping the Father in spirit and truth (John 4:23). In addition to slacks and a plaid shirt, his stole was the only vestment he wore that summer evening, and yet he carefully donned it with a kiss as the sun sank low on the western horizon. There in the midst of God’s incomparable creation we shared a profound celebration in memory of our Savior’s one and only sacrifice in which He pronounced “It is finished” (John 19:30). That evening was a turning point that soon led to my personal appreciation of His unfailing love for me (and for all of us). My appreciation of His love has been growing ever since. I pray you would seek to gain that same personal appreciation. <

  • ravitchn

    Catholics like to talk about pre-Vatican II and post Vatican II. I suggest instead we talk about pre-Vatican I. Before Vatican I in 1870 for centuries Catholics, clergy and laity, paid relatively little attention to the popes and more to their bishops. Pope Francis talks too much and washes the church’s dirty linen in public too much. I suggest we start being pre-
    Vatican I Catholics and stop paying too much attention to what goes on in Rome. Stop trying to understand every word Francis gives us and stick to the Word of God as it has been understood for centuries.

  • Jorge Salazar

    Either declare him an anti-pope and back a different papacy or accept that he is infallible. WHAT DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE DOGMA OF PAPAL INFALLIBITLITY. His word trumps all other previous pope’s words. He is the vessel of the Holy Spirit. Either declare your allegiance to him as a Catholic or declare him an anti-pope and declare your own believed successor. There is no in between.

  • lyle

    Wow, Mr. Adrew Haines, the childhood saying is “when did God die and You took over in judging how and what people should be and do?
    Can you tell us when you came to be such a judge as you can point out the Pope’s faults, and failings?
    Austere, instead of using a fancy word to elevate yourself as the self proclaimed intellect you “ASSume” you are, why didn’t you say,, the Pope is boring and somber in expression?
    He doesn’t put a show on for you..
    IN other countries doing what you have in belittling the Pope, a religious leader is wrong, and is not accepted. IN the United States a huge assumption rules of self elevating is a common everyday accepted way, or you just plain Haughty and Arrogant as so many because of your ignorance of insecuritiy you don’t know, your uneducated. or you know, but your not of a wisdom of right and wrong… thanks.
    tell us, what gives, should we really critize others as you have set an example to doing, do you still agree with yourself?

  • C-Marie

    Jesus set up the Mass in the greatest of simplicity and in the fullness of Truth. No more is needed.

  • geraldine clark

    p.s. found the initial article very good. Questioning, open, honest, balnced.
    Thank you.

  • Wilson Meléndez

    The Liturgy. In the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, each action had it’s purpose, meaning, symbol. In the Ordinary Form of the Mass, many symbol have been eliminated yet sme still remain but depends more on the celebrant and greatly more on those attending the mass to dignify the meaning and purpose of the Mass. Yet, we see TOTAL detachment from both celebrant and those attending the Mass. Even with less affordable chalices and crucifix, the Mass does have it’s effect if both celebrant and those participating in the Mass DO their PROPER roles and not of the OTHER.
    This is in my own experience. I served Ordinary Form Mass as an Altar Server. The Celebrant called me Master of Ceremony but i am going into that. Each participant is important. The Celebrant celebrated the Mass following all rubrics, with joy. Deacon present followed HIS Role. Altar Servers, all, doing their part and at least, acting being attentive in a respectful way. I made sure of that. By the end of the Mass, many participants of the Mass mentioned the dignity and reference the Mass had been celebrated. All doing their roles.
    At the end of the day, one is responsible for ones action.

  • Ed Angelo

    I will go one step further than what you perceive Pope Francis does in terms of minimizing the importance of the mass. I would shutter up all the churches and mosques and temples of the world and use them as places of work by and for and on behalf of the poor. Your admission that you find the mass by far more important than service is a betrayal of Christian principles. Jesus helped the poor and did not simply profess to be a helper. He was not hung up about the minutia of the mass.

    Consider the beautiful simplicity of the mass at the last supper. Jesus spent 10 minutes on that mass and 33 years serving the poor!

  • Lil

    You tell them like it is, your the best pope people have ever had.

  • Tina

    Let’s face the cold, hard facts; the Catholic Church is in danger of dying along with it’s aging parishioners. I believe Pope Francis is the Church’s best hope of survival. Perhaps we all need to examine how “Christ-like” we actually are. He set the example. We only need to follow that example.

  • BHorton2

    If you just said that “wording” is not walking then I agree wholeheartedly. I commiserate with you as well, recognizing that much of me prefers the potential beauty of wording.

  • Guest

    It appears the change that Pope Francis has called for in his actions, decisions and words shakes up a few people. His liturgy is not the definition of his papacy.His words are, his actions are…………..his direction is what makes him the so needed breath of fresh air the Church has needed for decades. Embrace the change..and stop nit picking over ceremony. Being an avid church goer, does not make you a good Catholic.Just makes you a good church goer. It is how we live our lives, treat our neighbor and bring life to the message of Jesus that makes the difference.

  • John

    I don’t claim to be an expert at anything, much less the liturgy, but what strikes me most in some of these discussions is that the critiques need to ponder the state of their own hearts before judging anothers.

  • Deacon

    What a bunch of utter nonsense! To spend your time debating whether or not any of this stuff matters is proof that aligning yourself with legalists and liturgical purists is the only thing that equates one with salvation — nonsense. Try asking yourself WWJD? If you come up with any answer other than spending your god-given time and talents to promote the teachings of Jesus (who fulfilled the law by admonishing all the rigor that crept into following the teachings of his Father, which were exemplified by him) then you should examine what is really important in this life and for the life to come. Give it up folks! You can spend your time debating and beating people up (including the Holy Father) with your rules and regulations and concurrently see our people defect to other religious practices and faiths. the Holy Father is a ‘breath of fresh air,’ filled with the Holy Spirit — the one who chose him and the one who should fill your own spirit if you could find it in yourselves to allow it to happen! Viva Papa Francesco!

  • Stan Stein

    I can see that we didn’treally read our Bibles when we were studying as children (or later in life if becoming Christian as an adult)…..it says VERY clearly….NOT to divide the Church….the Catholics did just that, and even with the light of Christ himself showing thru for the past 2000 years, the evils of the Catholic “faction” have taken their toll on the world’s view of Christianity….with rare exception (as with Ireland) the arrogance of these people is an attrocity….telling Protestants they are only serving rice crispies and grape juice is disgustingly arrogant, and elevating people to Sainthood is beyond brazen….and excuse after excuse for issues which slander any religion….looking the other way like a bunch of good ol boys at pedophilia….if it weren’t for a few things liike Catholic Charities and the Nuns who acted almost as if they really WERE saints….the Catholic Church should have been disenfranchised as Christian centuries ago.
    Everything else aside….if Baptism began with Christ being submersed…..the Catholics deliberately went another way….they are truly defiant, arrogant, and offensive to “by the Bible’ Christians….I remember, when I was going to their classes to become Catholic because of my fiance being Catholic, when a Nun said “It’s nice to see that you’re finally going to accept Christ” I couldn’t believe what she said….I just walked out, and never came back…the arrogance made me sick to my stomach…..I had been Baptist for 8 years and they knew it.

  • Connie Morley

    The Holy Spirit works for the universal good of the Church and all people for all time. It is about time we paid attention and became true Christians in word and action if we have faith. It is time we paid attention to Christ’s message and cared for one another as he expects us to do and not just write and talk about it with no positive action on all of our parts.. Pope Francis is right to ‘shakes us up’ and push for reform and changes in and for all of us including the Vatican. Remove the blinders and inertness and put the fruits of the Holy Spirit into action for all of humanity now. I support his desire for purposeful movement and change. I am delighted and will keep praying for him to be well and to help move all of our hearts to participate in the good.

  • Joseph A. Sanches

    Pope Francis’ liturgical demeanor

  • Joseph A. Sanches

    Pope Francis like every other priest chooses his style of mediating the liturgical medium according to his own preference, style and past practice. He is a Jesuit and Jesuits for the most part have not been liturgists. But by singling out the master of ceremonies, Guido Marini as a “suffering servant” let me only say that the Pope must be the suffering servant enduring this effete clerical spotlighting himself in the shadow of his Papal boss. He was fine for the equally, now retired D.G., effete Bendict but for God’s sake give us someone else other than this Marini who isn’t a liturgical distraction.

  • Virginia Seiter

    Do we forget that
    Jesus lived a simple life? I love all the pomp and circumstances during Holy Days. Those days remind us of the special gifts we gained through the Saints and the Holy Spirit , our Blessed Mother Mary and, of course Jesus, days that we might otherwise forget. However, Jesus preached anywhere and everywhere with out special garments. Even the Last Supper was celebrated in His everyday garments.
    We are to follow in His foot steps , take up our cross and follow Him.
    As a society to much emphisis is being placed on who can die with the most expensive and quantity of toys that we forget the REAL MEANING of the Beatitudes and the teachings of Jesus preaching.
    Pope Francis to me is a refreshing asset to bring back the true meaning of what Jesus taught. I am a mystic,prophet, evangelist(God has truly blessed me and I intend ,one day, to not only follow Jesus foot steps, but as Pope Francis does to walk beside Our blessed Savior.
    THINK OF OTHERS AND GET OUT AND PREACH THE GOSEL
    The blessings you will receive and the spiritual up lift is great. you don.t need fancy words or garments St Francis didn’t.

  • Mooj

    My humble recommendation is to completely kneel in joyful acknowledgement of God’s amazing grace and mercy. It also may be helpful to physically pull your head out of your “ego.” Trust in the Lord, my brother in Christ!

  • Brendan Walls

    You obviously love the theatre, Andrew.

  • Brooklyn Dave

    As long as we do not return to those horrible guitar masses from the late 1960s and 1970s.

  • barthomew

    Shortly after Vatican II, two independent articles appeared in the same issue of Worship magazine-one by a Catholic monk and one by an Episcopal theologian, John Macquarrie.

    With the changes judged necessary at that time with too much emphasis on the vertical since Trent,, it was not surprising that the Catholic stressed that there is a vertical and horizontal dimension to the liturgy and that the Church was bringing the horizontal forward to emphasis. For example, the priest facing the people as with a circle (though being face to face or gegenuber the people could also have been in other situations an emphasis on the vertical). He was praising not just leaving Mass to work in the world and serve people and find new seeds, but finding those right in the Mass itself.

    Macquarrie said that the Anglican tradition had come to stress the horizontal dimension too much-whether in Christianity in general or in the liturgy. He said there are three options set forth in Episcopal rubrics for blessing the bread and wine: stand to the side of the elements set on the altar; stand facing the people (the practice just adopted by Catholics, but previously common among Anglicans), stand facing the wall with the elements in front of the priest and the people and priest all facing the wall-the way Catholics had basically just dropped. He said that in a given culture, one can overemphasize the vertical, the divine, the transcendent, the beyond; or one can overemphasize the horizontal, the human, the immanent, the present. He said that American and European and Episcopal-Anglican tradition and culture had come to overemphasize the horizontal. So he recommended that the Episcopal priest face the wall to put emphasize on the neglected vertical dimension.
    The position of the Catholic and of the Episcopal theologians both are defensible, especially given the different situations of the two traditions and cultures at that point in history. One can add that as time went on Catholics tended to over-correct. Seminarians emerged who emphasized the vertical. I recall one Catholic theologian predicting that Benediction and that kind of Eucharistic worship would disappear; he was wrong. Benedict can be considered to be part of the neo-conservative balancing found from people like himself and some of the prominent periti and theologians of Vatican II.I suppose one could argue that Francis is part of the attempted balancing vis a vis Benedict. Of course, Paul VI balanced John XXIII. John Paul I would have balanced Paul VI except for his short term as pope. One could argue that John Paul II balanced John Paul I or that he was a good combination of both dimensions.

  • Bruce

    I am a fan of simplicty 🙂 Each pope has a different style, and while those of us who like simplicity had differences with Benedict, he was still pope and his choices were respected by all…so I guess that is the beauty of having different popes and styles. I often wonder how JP I would of been had he lived longer.